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#1 Sacrifice

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 05:46 PM

There have been lots of talk off the record about refining. I have been told Luk+dex is the key to refining.. i have been told all you need is 120 job lvl.. ya okay bullshit.. in order to make +9 or 10 valk.. what is that secret? or how do i refine weapons.. basically my question is; Should i make a legit 255 whitesmith for refining or buy a max stats one.? Both will use nothing but enriched products..

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 06:18 PM

It's all in the hands of fate. As for weapon refinement, the best possible solution is to use a jlvl 120 WS as your job level is the only factor taken into account for upgrading in this aspect. (The skill even reads Dex/Luk take no additional stride in this process). As for armor refinements, well, it's all to the old man. Unfortunately he sucks >:|. I normally +7 with Hollenghren and use enriched's for the rest of the way through the NPC in payon. I have to say that ultimately having a WS being able to refine armors would be lovely, unfortunately we are stuck with the NPC doing such and as is why +10's are in such a rarity. No real secret, just all luck. but be assured, you're ALWAYS going to break more then you actually manage to get when it comes t armor. Unless you're my wife, that bish oozes luck. >:|

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 04:29 AM

who is jenny? thanks for the tips

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:55 PM

the trick to refine weapons is

you refine all to the same number

first all to 5+
then all to 6+
then 7+
then 8+
then 9+
and those who are left you try to take themn to 10+

if you try to take them directly from 0+-10+
you break alot more

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Posted 15 December 2009 - 07:56 PM

Sacrifice, on 28 September 2009 - 05:46 PM, said:

There have been lots of talk off the record about refining.

I have been told Luk+dex is the key to refining..
Luk + Dex is key to CREATING weapons, forging, etc. doesnt do crap to refining

i have been told all you need is 120 job lvl.. ya okay bullshit.. in order to make +9 or 10 valk..
that'd be right, for weapons anyway. refining weapons is ONLY based off of your job level. making a +9 or 10 valk equipment is just luck with the NPC, thats it, seeing as you cant upgrade armor yourself (thank god).

what is that secret? or how do i refine weapons.. basically my question is; Should i make a legit 255 whitesmith for refining or buy a max stats one.? Both will use nothing but enriched products..
you don't even need a 255 whitesmith, just one with a max job level (which usually happens to me at around level 180). and last i checked, you cant upgrade with enriched oridecon, only that NPC in payon can. as for the enriched elu... well thats just luck, doesnt matter what job you are.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:14 PM

Slicing The Moon, on 05 November 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

if you try to take them directly from 0+-10+
you break alot more

And this is based on what mathematical formula? If you intend on taking refining all the way up to +10, it doesn't matter whether you do it directly or step-by-step. You just feel like you're breaking a lot more.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:29 PM

Pyrrhos, on 14 April 2010 - 11:14 PM, said:

It's actually what I do, but the part about breaking a lot more is obviously bull. I think it's good if you want to get it to high refines without breaking everything, but if you're determined to make it +10, sometimes a do-or-die approach might conversely save you some materials from high-refine breakages.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:42 AM

Slicing The Moon, on 05 November 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

Ahaha im sorry but you do not break it more, probably the same chance, jsut then, if you refine it 1 by 1, there is a relatively high chance you will be stuck with a lowly upgraded 1.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 01:57 PM

It is the same chance of breaking them. Doing that is just a way to refine more organized. Lol.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 08:29 PM

Slicing The Moon, on 05 November 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

I do it in this same way + I always leave one with higher upgrade for save [to do not finish with everything broken]
As Lilie said:

Lilie, on 18 April 2010 - 01:57 PM, said:

It is the same chance of breaking them. Doing that is just a way to refine more organized. Lol.

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Posted 14 May 2010 - 08:48 PM

OK, I would agree with the fact that they break more when done straight. Back when you could harvest Valk sheilds. I would collect about 200 a day from the same Rang. Refining all till I had about 30x +8. Then from there I would make 1 if I was lucky now with e.elu maybe 2+10s. I tried 200 V.sheilds straight going for +10 and all Broke. And the One at a time way lets you give the other refined ones away to guildies, once you make your +10. If your not greedy.

ALSO. It helps to use the blackjack +1 -1 probability scale and use crap to break looking for best possible odds. I find if I get 3 breaks in a row at the same refine level the next one has much better probability of making it.

+10 is always a crap shoot though.

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 06:17 AM

i thought you only need to reach job 70 to get a 10% better chance than the npc. :huh:

if im wrong, it's because i'm not pro at all ^_^

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Posted 15 May 2010 - 06:25 AM

InFiNiTy, on 15 May 2010 - 06:17 AM, said:

i thought you only need to reach job 70 to get a 10% better chance than the npc. :huh:

if im wrong, it's because i'm not pro at all ^_^

Somewhat true, but you can go even beyond that and go to 120 for an even higher chance.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:21 AM

i always tell to the persons who ask me to ups something..

"if it is destined to break, then it'll break."

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 10:42 PM

does neone know the exact %age of upgrading a weapon to +10? it says the success chance is 10% higher than the payon npc on wiki when ur job level 70 and an even higher percentage if ur 120 job level. cuz then if it's at least 10% chance for making a +10 weapon, would it be safe to say if u had 10 of the same weapon and try to upgrade it to +10, chances are ull get a +10 weapon at least once when u attempt to upgrade all of them in a row?